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RE: I cant believe this.... - 11/7/2009 1:13:17 AM
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darcylandry
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That's some crazy s**t!
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RE: I cant believe this.... - 11/7/2009 2:49:21 PM
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What I want to know is how a Muslim named Nidal Malik Hassan, who was openly opposed to the war in Iraq, was allowed to be promoted to the rank of Major in our Army. I guess that's the epitome of "Military Intelligence"
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RE: I cant believe this.... - 11/10/2009 11:57:15 AM
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NOTE: the edit above was not to add the apology. I stand by what I said for that. Most that I have met are great people and I will stand by their rights in the U.S. If the atrocities of the United States Government are known by any group it would be them. My edit was to correct spelling.
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RE: I cant believe this.... - 11/10/2009 12:07:46 PM
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hip_5089
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Pova,
Just for your information, after 9-11, this happening here shouldn't surprise you. To take a lyric from a Darryl Worley song "Have you forgotten?" Many people have because they do not have to look at it everyday to be reminded. I promise you that everyone who lost some one that day hasn't forgotten.
This is what the radical muslims and even the not so radical muslims (Hasan being case in point) want to happen to the Westerners. Americans are waking up but it is not fast enough. I will post something that was written not long after 9-11 and that I have posted several times in here before in order for people to understand what is happening. I hope you dont' mind Pova.
When WWIII Started****1979
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>This is not very long, but very informative You have to read! the
>catalogue of events in this brief piece. Then, ask yourself how anyone
>can take the position that all we have to do is bring our troops home
>from Iraq, sit back, reset the snooze alarm, go back to sleep, and no
>one will ever bother us again. In case you missed it, World War III
>began in November 1979... that alarm has been ringing for years
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>US Navy Captain Ouimette is the Executive Officer at Naval Air Station,
>Pensacola, Florida. Here is a copy of the speech he gave last month. It
>is an accurate account of why we are in so much trouble today and why
>this action is so necessary.
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>AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!
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>That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more
>than 3,000 Americans were killed -AD) and maybe it was, but I think it
>should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has
>been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button
>and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.
>
>It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a
>religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students
>attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an
>outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's
>most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on
>this sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the
>next 25 years.
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>America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience
>and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President
>Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in
>the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol
>of America's inability to deal with terrorism.
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>America's military had been decimated and down sized/right sized since
>the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly
>organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was
>doomed from the start.
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>Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and
>killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect
>her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil
>continued.
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>In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven
>into the US Embassy compound in Beirut When it explodes, it kills 63
>people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once
>more.
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>Then just six short months later in 1983 a large truck heavily laden
>down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the
>US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed.
>America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more.
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>Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives
>is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her
>slumber.
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>The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the
>gate of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.
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>Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a
>restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.
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>Then in August 1985 a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into
>the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and
>the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are
>continually attacked.
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>Fifty-nine days later in 1985 a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is
>hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of
>the passenger list and executed.
>The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners
>when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the
>most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in1988,
>killing 259.
>
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>Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still
>trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war.
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>The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder.
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>The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993,
>two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in
>Langley, Virginia.
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>The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested
>after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground
>parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people
>are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an
>act of war? The Snooze alarm is depressed again.
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>Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in
>Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women.
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>A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35
>yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It
>destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and
>injuring over 500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they
>see that America does not respond decisively.
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>They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US
>embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.. These attacks were planned with
>precision. They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks
>and goes back to sleep.
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>The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12
>October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded
>killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war,
>but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.
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>And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans
>think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong
>they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we
>chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.
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>In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high
>officials in government over what they knew and what they didn't know.
>But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you
>can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA
>or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been
>developing since 1979.
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>I think we have been in a war for the past 25 years and it will continue
>until we as a people decide enough is enough. America needs to "Get out
>of Bed" and act decisively now. America has been changed forever.. We
>have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our
>way of life continues. We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze
>button again and again and roll over and go back to sleep.
>
>After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "... it seems
>all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant." This is the message we
>need to disseminate to terrorists around the world.
>
>This is not a political thing to be hashed over in an election year this
>is an AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our
>children in years to come.
< Message edited by hip_5089 -- 11/10/2009 12:16:42 PM >
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RE: I cant believe this.... - 11/11/2009 12:07:00 AM
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cpova
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Why would I mind, Kev? It's a great article that makes a very good point.
And it wasnt so much surprise, as being appalled..
thanks for posting that again
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RE: I cant believe this.... - 11/11/2009 12:58:23 PM
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crcrcrcr
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Paraphrasing George Santayana, "those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
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RE: I cant believe this.... - 11/11/2009 2:03:38 PM
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crcrcrcr
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Sorry for what, Kevin? Please elaborate.
< Message edited by crcrcrcr -- 11/11/2009 2:04:39 PM >
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RE: I cant believe this.... - 11/11/2009 2:26:26 PM
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hip_5089
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About how people can keep performing the same behavior and expect different results everytime. e.g. not learning from history.
Isn't that a part of the definiton of insanity?
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RE: I cant believe this.... - 11/13/2009 7:09:46 PM
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Buckaru2
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OK, I am reading this thread for about the third time, I am mentally reeeling from these events and the circumstances surrounding it and all of the questions like "Why was this person even on base (in this country, allowed to breathe, etc, all of the usual)?" and I want to contribute something worthwhile to the discussion of an insane event -- then I crack open the fortune cookie from this mediocre lunch and it warns me: "Be prepared to modify your plans."
I may just call this a day and go home and clean some firearms. Maybe that will make ME FEEL better.
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RE: I cant believe this.... - 11/14/2009 9:57:42 PM
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quote:
My apologies to all Native Americans. If anyone has a reason to complain about how the U.S. government performs business, it is you.
Wow...we agree on something. 
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